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Off Road time

7 messages in this thread | Started on 2001-05-28

Off Road time

From: John P. Rovetto (jrov@nji.com) | Date: 2001-05-28 15:28:51 UTC-04:00
I placed my first box on 11-20-00, but never had time to do any searching
until this weekend. I actually spent 2 seasons with the USDA Forest Service
NE Forest Experiment Station doing almost the exact same thing. Everyday we
either had to either seek out plots that had originally been measured in the
50's and 60's to remeasure them or we had to set out new plots. I became
very good at describing and recognizing landmarks and terrain features. A
seasonal job in resource survey is probably the best preparation you could
possibly have for letterboxing.

I'm going to go into more detail on my adventure yesterday later. I'm
composing a letter offline. However, I'd like to point out something. It
should be mentioned with the clues when finding a letterbox requires a great
deal of time off the road. i.e.. away from the car or civilization. The
issue here is "TIME." The amount of time is not necessarily a function of
degree of difficulty. Difficult could mean, going up a steep cliff 10
minutes from the parking lot. I picked up 2 boxes relatively easily
yesterday. The round trip took no more than 1/2 hour each. After being
lulled into a false sense of security I set out for another one in the late
afternoon. The trail map at the nature center gave me little sense of
distance and the clues only said to look for landmarks with no idea of how
far they were. As it comes out, I should have planned it as a day hike.

When I figured I had reached the point of no return, I was actually not even
1/4 of the way. After finding the box and stamping in I ended up
bushwhacking to a road on the other side of the park and walking several
miles unsuccessfully trying to hitch a ride in the dark. A bear encounter
before I got out of the woods did help get my adrenaline pumping. As my
legs began to cramp up from being soaked, I took a chance and walked up to a
house with a light on. A younger guy with a ponytail came to the door.
After asking me if I wasn't a "crazy man" he offered to drive me back to the
car. He was going into town to pick up a pizza anyway. He dropped me at
the car at 9:15pm.

I would suggest that you should take the amount of time it took you to get
in and out and multiply it by 1.5 to account for searching time. The box I
went for yesterday should have been listed as 4.5+ hours ORT. Granted, I
took some chances that I shouldn't have yesterday. However, a less
experienced person might still be out there now. They might have tried to
get back through the woods, which would have been impossible after dark.

Forester

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Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

From: stephen torrey (storrey@dnamail.com) | Date: 2001-05-29 16:35:53 UTC-04:00
This message brings up an important aspect of letterboxing. Safety. I
agree that ideally the clues should indicate the distance and/or approximate
hiking time. Most do that as well as mentioning the difficulty of the
trail. But there is always the possibility of getting lost on the trail.
That's why I have a homemade "survival kit" that I keep in my letterboxing
backpack. It's made out of a medium-sized tin can (to use to heat up water
in if needed) and inside has waterproof matches, a tea-lite candle, a
folded-up space blanket, a mini-first aid kit, a whistle, string, water
purifying tablets, a small jackknife, and emergency food supplies -- tea
bags, sugar, a couple bouillon cubes and a couple small chocolate bars.
After reading of your adventure, I'm thinking of adding a small flashlight
as well. Hopefully I'll never need to use this stuff, but I'd rather have
it and not need it than need it and not have it. And it really doesn't take
up that much space. Something to consider. Ann T.


Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

From: Jay Chamberlain (ae4mk@1bigred.com) | Date: 2001-05-29 16:52:56 UTC-04:00
BRAVO Ann T.    Add the flashlight. I had a Atlanta city adventure that ran after dark. I had to walk the stamp 2-300 yards to an opening in the woods to get enough light to write and stamp in....
 
BRAVO on the survival kit
 
The Jolly G-Man
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Subject: Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

    This message brings up an important aspect of letterboxing.  Safety.  I
agree that ideally the clues should indicate the distance and/or approximate
hiking time.  Most do that as well as mentioning the difficulty of the
trail.  But there is always the possibility of getting lost on the trail.
That's why I have a homemade "survival kit" that I keep in my letterboxing
backpack.  It's made out of a medium-sized tin can (to use to heat up water
in if needed) and inside has waterproof matches, a tea-lite candle, a
folded-up space blanket, a mini-first aid kit, a whistle, string, water
purifying tablets, a small jackknife, and emergency food supplies -- tea
bags, sugar, a couple bouillon cubes and a couple small chocolate bars.
After reading of your adventure, I'm thinking of adding a small flashlight
as well.  Hopefully I'll never need to use this stuff, but I'd rather have
it and not need it than need it and not have it. And it really doesn't take
up that much space.   Something to consider.  Ann T.


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Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) | Date: 2001-05-29 20:00:28 UTC-04:00

> I agree that ideally the clues should indicate the distance and/or
> approximate hiking time. Most do that as well as mentioning the
> difficulty of the trail.

And for clues that do not list these details, the onus is really
on the hunter, not the hider as to whether or not to proceed with
the information available in the clue.

If the clue does not list difficulty or time, or trail maps are
unavailable, or USGS quads and other tools are unavailable, and
inquiring locally and other research fails to turn up any more
information, and the hunter still chooses to proceed, then they
do so at their own risk, as always, as well as if they do no
research, of course. They can always say, before setting foot on
the trail -- I have no idea what I am getting into, let me try one
of the other 1000 boxes out there that is more suitable to my style.

Some peoples' idea of letterboxing is finding 20 or more in a weekend,
while other people's idea is taking 6 months to find a single box, so
the clues will also vary accordingly.

Cheers,
Randy

Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

From: (jrovetto@baysidegroup.net) | Date: 2001-05-30 22:41:52 UTC
> Some peoples' idea of letterboxing is finding 20 or more in a
weekend, while other people's idea is taking 6 months to find a
single box, so the clues will also vary accordingly.

If it had said that it required a 4.5 hour round trip, I wouldn't
have tried for it.

Forester


Re: Off Road time

From: Eoghan (eoghan@sharawadgi.com) | Date: 2001-05-31 09:28:38 UTC-05:00
A new clue for the "Chicken Little" letterbox is now available.
I can't post the clue to the list because you might go out and look for it
on your own and blame me if you hurt yourself. If you really want to know
where it is, please send me a copy of your doctor's report from your last
physical exam (must be within the last month) and your complete medical
history, proof that you have taken advanced medical courses (so you can
deal with any medical emergency that might arise), a copy of your drivers
license (so I can be sure that you can legally drive), an equipment list
for items you plan to take or wear (so I can be sure you have the right
items), an itinerary (so that I can be certain you plan to travel at the
least dangerous times), an example of your pre-manufactured stamp image
(can't have you trying to cut your own, of course, that'd be too
dangerous), and contact information for every living relative you have (so
I can get their permission to give you the clue). Then I can arrange to go
with you to supervise each of your steps along the way and stamp in for you
(you MIGHT be allergic to the ink after all)

Or wait, maybe you can just take responsibility for your own actions, use
your own good judgment to decide which boxes to pursue, and stop panicking
about liability issues.


Re: [LbNA] Off Road time

From: stephen torrey (storrey@dnamail.com) | Date: 2001-05-31 11:39:30 UTC-04:00
Randy,
I agree we must take on the risk. (But I still appreciate those boxes
that give more info before I start out.) Ann T.